Eugene said on: August 6, 2010, 2:56 pm "VH--complete BS--I insinuated no such thing! You condone the acts of homosexuals and think those acts are ok and normal--so have them over to your house for a party with YOUR kid, I won't" ------------------------- Eugene said on: August 6, 2010, 3:01 pm " Funny how you also fail to mention that your post was removed; insinuating that because I disagree with your defense of a gay person, I'm the pedophile."
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V.H. said on: August 6, 2010, 3:08 pm "your house for a party with YOUR kid"
To be more accurate, you said SLEEPOVER, not party.
"insinuating that because I disagree with your defense of a gay person, I'm the pedophile."
Yes, I stooped to your level, but not because you disagree with my defense of a gay person, but because your mind went straight to the sleepover with kids.
Are we done?
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Eugene said on: August 6, 2010, 3:27 pm To be completely accurate I said slumber PARTY. And my point was that if you believe this person has more balls and integrity than those that oppose your views, why not have him over? I do not believe, nor have I ever believed that he is a pedophile. I do not believe that homosexual behavior, however, is 'natural', 'normal', or is what I want my kids to be around to be taught or influenced by or that gay marriage is about civil rights.
Hey! I think we should invite Michael over to this lil' blog. He mentioned in his last post he'd be willing to get together for coffee. I think we should take him up on it!
By the way, Vicky, you're doing awesome! As is Ajai!
Michael is a guy who has been posting recently and seems like a fair-minded person. I have the impression that he is a bit more conservative than I am (not hard to do) and that he might be more of libertarian, but he offered to meet for coffee sometime and I think it would be a good idea. In fact, he might be someone you can align yourself with as we have political discussions over coffee in the future. I mean, you could really use the help! (just kiddin' bud..)
I think it would be a GREAT idea to invite Michael here. I was thinking of commenting on the site that he posted the great article to, but it is a much bigger audience and yet another blog to follow, so maybe not!
I really would like to get together and meet you all in person. I suggested to COE labor day since it is a day off for me, although I realize it might be a vacation time for some.
Otherwise I guess I'm gonna have to go in to work late some day to meet you guys on a week day :)
You mean I can have a Conservative buddy? You're right I do need all the help I can get.
Speaking of the Liberal bias in the Northwest, I do have a funny story...
My old landlord Linda lives in Washington. We never saw her in the two years we rented. We spoke before we moved in and signed the rental agreement and she was very nice. She did the whatever you needs, and don't hesitate to calls.
We sent our payments, and called when something broke ect. Again having virturally no contact. Now, I have an old Ford Ranger with a canopy that I never drive as it's old and barely runs.
Did I mention we had almost zero contact with Linda? Well, when we had moved out and cleaned and did all that good fun stuff Linda showed up. Linda's attitude was completely different, bordering on hostile as she apporached the front porch. We had cleaned very well, and even left our old washer/dryer as we just bought new ones. We thought it odd, but chalked it up to the drive from Seattle.
Back to my truck... Over the winter the battery had died. I tried to, all be it too late as we were moving when I discovered it, jump it and get it started to no avail. I asked Linda if it would be okay to move the truck the next day as I didn't have another truck, tow strap, and driver at that time. Linda again was noticably upset yet agreed to allow this... I explained that I work graveyard and that I would be sleeping during the day so it wouldn't be until the mid to late afternoon before I could get the truck.
At around eleven I received a call from Linda. I was asleep and didn't answer the call. Linda left a message on my voice mail. In her voice mail she was upset that the "Awful abandoned looking" truck was still there, and that I needed to get it moved immediatley before she calls a tow truck to "get rid of it" from the property.
Now I was confused, upset, and couldn't figure out why Linda was being this way, and treating us so poorly.
When I was hooking the tow strap to the frame of the truck it finally hit me. As I stood up I think I figured out why Linda was so upset with me.
I looked at the canopy and saw all of my "Funny" right leaning bumper stickers. I knew from my limited dealings with Linda that she was a little Oooh, how shall we say, earthy; but I never really took the time to care or think on it.
I suppose my "If You're Going To Burn The Flag Then Wrap Yourself In It First", and "Give War A Chance" sticker(s) might have garnered the treatment that we recieved. Who knows, maybe I am being silly, but seems like a weird koweenkiedink to me...
Wow! That's quite a story! Ya know, I have a truck...ya coulda called!
Anyway, if you're right about the motive of the lady its too bad. But, it reminds me that we don't put bumpersickers on Barb's car because I don't want some right wing loon with a gun giving her trouble. It probably wouldn't happen, but I'd rather not take the chance. It's too bad, really.
I have a friend who's step-mom used to drive a hummer, but she got harassed so much by other drivers that she got rid of it. I don't know why people feel like they have the right to do that. I mean, I'm not a big hummer fan, but I think its highly inappropriate to make comments to someone driving one and especially a woman driving alone (is that sexist?)
Anyway, sorry about your experiences with a liberal kook.
Thanks for the truck offer Tom. I appreciate it. Good to know I gots friends! I got my father in law to tow me, so it worked out.
Vicky those are "kind of" funny... I always liked the "Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun(s)". I can appreciate a good bumber sticker on either side... Especially if it's funny!
Yeah you are probably right and I am looking into the situation too much. Ohhh well, no harm no foul. I am in my house so it's all good!
David Peligroso said on: September 9, 2010, 6:18 am V.H.: "Also, join the 23,000 people who like the Facebook page “In protest of International Burn a Koran Day”"
Wow, that's more fans than Keith Olbermann and Rachal Mannow combined.
I could get more "likes" on Facebook with a "Sex with V.H.'s mom" page.
"Yet the GT lets this person continue to post! Barefoot was banned, why??!!"
I like to think that we all made our point and they are no longer so quick to ban people.
Now, if we could just convince them to bring him back! Or, if he wasn't so damn stubborn and would come back with a different name, like 'THE Barefoot'!
Tom, I understand the point about freedom of speech, but the rules of the blog clearly state "No vulgarity". It's one thing to say "liar", "Marxist", etc., but I really don't have a problem with banning people who call others whores or pedophiles in essence.
Oh, don't get me wrong Vicky, I think those idiots should be banned as well. But, when Barefoot was banned, I think the GT and ADH was being a bit more anal retentive, which is why BF got banned. Now, they seem to have gone a bit too far the other direction and allowing really vulgar people remain.
My only point is, I think we can all take some credit for the online editor being a little less oppressive than before. Which, to me, is a good thing...generally.
Finally I can post. Was it not piglet who said *ohhh bother* After this frustration, I seriously need to find a place I can drop the "F bomb" - so to speak.
Sorry I missed this little exchange VH... I will only post on that lame site to defend one of you guys, not that you need any, or if there is something that I just can't hold back. So far I've not had anything to add to the threads minus the same sex marriage stuff. So I've only shown up a couple of times. Past that I really don't have the stomach for the censored P.O.S. fish wrapper called the GT...
Welcome back MO3! by the way... It was Pooh that said, "Ohh bother"
When I was a kid in High School I was in the play Winnie the Pooh...I was one of the forest critters (a newt or something). Pretty exciting. I knew, then and there, I had NO future in acting (tho, I think I played a pretty impressive newt).
It's nice to see you on the blogs from time to time COE!
Hedgehog!!! I just remembered...I was a hedgehog! Best damn hedgehog they've ever had in that High School!!
You were in chorus and band, Vicky? That's cool! I think, in order to qualify for those, you actually had to have talent. In order to be a hedgehog, you just had to know how to cower behind a rock.
Lol, well I'm sure a single hedgehog stands out much more than someone in a chorus or band where your mistakes can be covered! :)
Back to the GT, did you read the R&R today? This section caught my attention:
"We call again on the voices of reason, who seem to be avoiding public forums these days, to denounce this kind of behavior in no uncertain terms. (Such as those on this page). And to those who mind having such looney views called out as such, too bad. Moderates grow tired of you."
This is twice now that I've seen them dissing the blog posts. Yet they continue to let the scumbags, um I mean those who post crap to do it. I don't get it.
Ahhhh #schmacking head# Pooh said that!! But of course and what a bad Mom I am for not remembering that.
I should be taken to Disneyland and waterboarded in Splash Mountain.
Thank you COE
Vicki, I am a Republican Moderate, yet still cannot log into the GT. I've access to the DH only. I've complained to Matt to no avail. They want Moderates? LET MY PEOPLE GO!!! :o)~
Well, he has now posted where I can get at him. I will take that walk of shame with you. What kind of person who had union representation his whole working life, would make such childish statements like he does.
"VH, and people like her admittedly state that "cussing is fine in certain instances" and purposely teaches her son to do the same. I asked what positives come from using profanity which resulted in useless inflammatory name-calling--the VERY behavior we should NOT be teaching our kids."
Ummm, yeah. First we get him liquored up, then bring out the cuss-word dictionary and teach him the correct pronunciation of the words and encourage him to use them whenever the time is right.
All this because I said that someones argument was bullshit. Give me a break.
"46 said: "Why not just segregate the GLBTD into their own school? The Los Angeles County Jail uses this technique. That way the normal kids can pick on each other and the homo kids can wear bottomless chaps and pick out fruity headgear."'
Nice to know my hat is still being talked about, months later.
"I just wanted you to know that I've requested that your post be removed because I found it offensive."
46 said: "Why not just segregate the GLBTD into their own school? The Los Angeles County Jail uses this technique. That way the normal kids can pick on each other and the homo kids can wear bottomless chaps and pick out fruity headgear."
Interesting idea to stop conflict at the jails. Rather than merely accepting the staus quo of "acceptance" and forcing them to remain together, they recognize there's a problem and take steps to alleviate it. Sounds like it would stop a lot of unnecessary conflict and danger to the jailers.
As to the "bottomless chaps and pick out fruity headgear" statement - I've seen these in gay pride parades for decades now. Even the Corvallis pride parade had some guy sporting a fruit hat! Perhaps the Gazette pictures offended dear ole Tom's overly-sensitive sensibilities too and they should suspend production because he was offended? Maybe they refrain from taking pictures of actual participants and displaying these actual participants prominently in their articles because they don't agree with Tom's percieved bias'?
Such a double standard! The gays can do it - but if someone not within the gay community mentions their fruity hats and bottomless chaps - they go nuts! LOL
silly regressives - wanting it both ways just plain doesn't work!
'"I assume by saying "fruity hats" you mean hats with fruit in them. I guess, if that's the case, I wonder why you couldn't just say that? The term "fruity hats" can be seen as a pejorative and is an unnecessary way of describing a hat worn by someone in a community that regularly experiences the use of pejoratives used against them."
Since you appear to plead ignorance on the fruity hat issue - I looked the story up. Low and behold, I found that the fruity hat incident was perpetrated by none-other than our illustrious leader of all things homosexual - Ajai!
If you've ever been curious as to who Ajai is, or what he looks like - now's your chance!
"All ages turn out for second-annual parade and festival" http://gazettetimes.com/news/local/article_818369aa-81ac-11df-b0fb-001cc4c03286.html
Awww, isn't he cute! LOL
I had always assumed the use of "fruity hats" in "pride parades" to be an active resistance and "in your face" kind of statement about having been called "fruits" for many years. Perhaps I was in error and there's another reason - Ajai wanna clear this up?
"I kinda wonder if you aren't just testing the waters to see what you can get away with on these threads. Given that the post I requested be removed is still here and it uses the EXACT same words as the post that was removed, it seems you can get away with quite a bit."
Hardly. What I am doing is what millions of Americans across the country are doing - pushing back. In this case, pushing back to tyranical and prescriptive edicts foisted upon the readers here that says *saying anything about gays is wrong*.
Much like the news media recently has been pushing back on NPR and their firing of Juan Williams because he expressed how he honestly felt (as well as many other Americans) when confronted with particular situations concerning muslims. It's wrong to have organizations like CAIR decide what's fit for print or what's fit to read.
It is also just as wrong for organizations such as "The Human Rights Campaign" (or its pundits named Tom) crying out for diversity and tolerance while censoring others thoughts and opinions.
Perhaps the editors here agree with the ability of the citizenry to openly express ideas and formulations that differ from that which special interests been attempting to say is "off limits". Perhaps they have decided to support open and honest discussion since it was better explained instead?
"Perhaps you own stock in the company?"
Maybe it's not some nefarious plot by some faceless corporation after all! But, nice try at smearing their good name and at the same time insinuating the oft touted *corporations suck* of the far left wingnuts! Kudos! LOL
silly regressives - *We say it can't be said - you're infringing on our tolerance and diversity by your disagreement - so shut-up - or we'll call down the power of our organizations and make you shut-up!* - such hipocracy! Tsk, tsk!"
I'm sorry too, Ajai, that the conversation has taken this turn, tho I suppose we both could have expected it.
I'm afraid that idiot has my blood boiling so I need to take a break from the thread. I don't want you to feel abandoned and I will check back in tomorrow, but I need a glass of wine and I need to calm down. I am astounded that the paper has allowed that guy to continue to post such crap.
Tom, I have to commend you on keeping your cool so long on that thread. I am sorry for my part in escalating the childish behavior of srjim, 46-percent, and Eugene. They got under my skin too. I was glad I had something else to do last night so that I turned off the computer. (BTW, finished the John Adams series with my son...now those guys knew how to carry on civil discourse, even when they were angry!).
I have been questioning for quite a while whether it is worth the time, effort, and emotional strain to keep posting to the GT. It seems like either talking to a wall or preaching to the choir, as you said Tom at Ajai's play (and by the way I am sorry I didn't get a chance to come over and introduce myself...I did recognize you!).
I keep telling myself I need to stop posting there and have to question why I keep getting sucked in...maybe I need blog rehab because it does become quite a habit.
Actually, I think I kinda lost my cool last night, which is why I walked away from the discussion. In fact, I wrote to the online editors that I'd be willing to be banned from the threads if they would also ban srjim. I also asked that they remove every post of mine and his since he began posting to that thread. For some reason, that guy really gets under my skin and has an ability to really take things off topic. I know COE finds him funny and I can appreciate humor, but after a while, he (srjim) just gets old. Anyway, you have no reason to apologize, Vicky (at least, as far as I'm concerned).
And, yes, one of the posts was removed after I requested it this weekend. Srjim quoted the removed submission in, almost, the very next post. I requested that be removed as well (this is within a span of, about, a half-hour, I think) and Srjim's post was never removed.
Please consider staying with the posts. I agree and have considered quitting (as we all did a while ago), but what I think now is that, this lets the bullies win. I really encourage folks like COE to continue to post so that we can attempt to show what civil discourse should look like. Also, I think COE offers a really important perspective. As do others. I'm even ok with folks like Eugene and Steve because they have their point of view and share that. I really think all srjim wants to do is disrupt the conversation and he does it well.
But, you need to decide for yourself and I can completely understand if you decide to walk away, I know I've come very close (like last night), to calling it quits. But, I just look at Ajai's post and try and emulate the respect and civility they promote in the face of cruelty and intolerance.
I didn't know you were at Ajai's play! I wish you had said something, it would have been great to actually meet you!! Next time, feel free to say "hi!"
Tom, I know what you are saying, that if we leave the bullies win. For me it is about making an effect...if I could know that someone is getting reached through these threads, putting up with those guys would be worth it. Steve I can tolerate, so far I haven't had him be so insulting, but I simply won't respond to Eugen anymore. IMO, he has targeted me because I have openly stated I am an atheist, so he takes every opportunity he can to point out how immoral I am, in his view, to the point of misrepresenting what I have said and painting me as a horrible parent. This hits too close to home for me so I won't play into his games. If you go back over recent threads you will notice that Eugene jumps in when I post something and adds nothing to the conversation, only tries to insult me. And I can't get over him insinuating Ajai is a pedophile then lying about what he said. I'm done with him. Actually, I was done with srjim a long time ago.
I agree that COE has a valid and important perspective to offer. I also want to tell him that when I criticize the likes of Eugene, srjim, and 46-percent for their Christian hypocrisy, I certainly do not include COE in with that group. I have the feeling that COE really tries to live it.
Yeah, I was at the play! It was great! Not being very familiar with the lab theater, I somehow ended up out a wrong door and outside instead of in the lobby where the candlelight vigil was to begin. My intent was to participate in that for a least a while, but I decided that since I got sidetracked, I'd better get home to my kiddo. Hopefully we will meet at some other point!!
BTW, Tom, it was big of you to propose you being banned along with srjim, but I hope they don't take you up on the offer...there is no reason you should be banned.
Thanks for the kind words Vicky. I too have noticed that Eugene will usually respond to you just to respond to you and levy some insult. Sad thing is; if he is so moral then I wonder why he has to insult you. Hardly a tactic that would endour you to his way of thinking, or belief system... Not quite what J.C. (Jesus) was talking about with that whole Gospel thing.
I am sorry if you guys felt as if I left you guys in the Suicide thread. I really didn't mean to. I had a bunch of work to do around my place. When I got back it had blown up.
Thanks Tom as well for the kind words... I enjoy chatting with fine libs such as yourselves. Unlike other liberals I've met, I actually feel like a person who is respected for my opinion on things. Though we may disagree, I know you guys have my back and vise sersa. It's nice to know.
I said:
ReplyDeleteCougarDude: "You know Ajai, you remind me of a wounded animal that gets ultra defensive when anything comes near it."
Why, because he won't submit to the blatant hatred professed here and elsewhere?
On the contrary, he's got more dignity and juevos than most I've seen here.
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To which Eugene replied:
"If he has so much dignity, why don't you invite him over for a sleepover with your kids."
I pushed the button, but being Sunday I knew it wouldn't get removed until at least Monday morning. So I replied:
"It's obvious that you are the one that I need to keep away from my kid."
Mine got removed too, which is fine. Just couldn't let that one stand, though.
http://www.democratherald.com/news/opinion/mailbag/article_6a912f04-9b4a-11df-b45b-001cc4c03286.html?mode=comments
That is complete Bullshite...
ReplyDeleteGood for you Vicky !!
Thanks for the support and it's good to hear from you again!
ReplyDeleteEugene said on: August 6, 2010, 2:56 pm
ReplyDelete"VH--complete BS--I insinuated no such thing! You condone the acts of homosexuals and think those acts are ok and normal--so have them over to your house for a party with YOUR kid, I won't"
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Eugene said on: August 6, 2010, 3:01 pm
" Funny how you also fail to mention that your post was removed; insinuating that because I disagree with your defense of a gay person, I'm the pedophile."
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V.H. said on: August 6, 2010, 3:08 pm
"your house for a party with YOUR kid"
To be more accurate, you said SLEEPOVER, not party.
"insinuating that because I disagree with your defense of a gay person, I'm the pedophile."
Yes, I stooped to your level, but not because you disagree with my defense of a gay person, but because your mind went straight to the sleepover with kids.
Are we done?
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Eugene said on: August 6, 2010, 3:27 pm
To be completely accurate I said slumber PARTY. And my point was that if you believe this person has more balls and integrity than those that oppose your views, why not have him over? I do not believe, nor have I ever believed that he is a pedophile. I do not believe that homosexual behavior, however, is 'natural', 'normal', or is what I want my kids to be around to be taught or influenced by or that gay marriage is about civil rights.
Repeat: "I will not respond, I will not respond..."
ReplyDeleteHe is making a complete arse of himself, as is SirJim....
ReplyDeleteHey! I think we should invite Michael over to this lil' blog. He mentioned in his last post he'd be willing to get together for coffee. I think we should take him up on it!
ReplyDeleteBy the way, Vicky, you're doing awesome! As is Ajai!
When are we doing coffee? I am finally done with my house so I will have loads of free time here shortly :)
ReplyDeleteWho's Michael?
ReplyDeleteMichael is a guy who has been posting recently and seems like a fair-minded person. I have the impression that he is a bit more conservative than I am (not hard to do) and that he might be more of libertarian, but he offered to meet for coffee sometime and I think it would be a good idea. In fact, he might be someone you can align yourself with as we have political discussions over coffee in the future. I mean, you could really use the help! (just kiddin' bud..)
ReplyDeleteHey, we're here again! Nice!
ReplyDeleteI think it would be a GREAT idea to invite Michael here. I was thinking of commenting on the site that he posted the great article to, but it is a much bigger audience and yet another blog to follow, so maybe not!
I really would like to get together and meet you all in person. I suggested to COE labor day since it is a day off for me, although I realize it might be a vacation time for some.
Otherwise I guess I'm gonna have to go in to work late some day to meet you guys on a week day :)
Tom, thanks for your support. The most recent go-around with Eugene, et al. left me very angry and sad.
ReplyDeleteNotice how Eugene backpedaled in his last post? As if...
ReplyDeleteYou mean I can have a Conservative buddy? You're right I do need all the help I can get.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of the Liberal bias in the Northwest, I do have a funny story...
My old landlord Linda lives in Washington. We never saw her in the two years we rented. We spoke before we moved in and signed the rental agreement and she was very nice. She did the whatever you needs, and don't hesitate to calls.
We sent our payments, and called when something broke ect. Again having virturally no contact. Now, I have an old Ford Ranger with a canopy that I never drive as it's old and barely runs.
Did I mention we had almost zero contact with Linda? Well, when we had moved out and cleaned and did all that good fun stuff Linda showed up. Linda's attitude was completely different, bordering on hostile as she apporached the front porch. We had cleaned very well, and even left our old washer/dryer as we just bought new ones. We thought it odd, but chalked it up to the drive from Seattle.
Back to my truck... Over the winter the battery had died. I tried to, all be it too late as we were moving when I discovered it, jump it and get it started to no avail. I asked Linda if it would be okay to move the truck the next day as I didn't have another truck, tow strap, and driver at that time. Linda again was noticably upset yet agreed to allow this... I explained that I work graveyard and that I would be sleeping during the day so it wouldn't be until the mid to late afternoon before I could get the truck.
At around eleven I received a call from Linda. I was asleep and didn't answer the call. Linda left a message on my voice mail. In her voice mail she was upset that the "Awful abandoned looking" truck was still there, and that I needed to get it moved immediatley before she calls a tow truck to "get rid of it" from the property.
Now I was confused, upset, and couldn't figure out why Linda was being this way, and treating us so poorly.
When I was hooking the tow strap to the frame of the truck it finally hit me. As I stood up I think I figured out why Linda was so upset with me.
I looked at the canopy and saw all of my "Funny" right leaning bumper stickers. I knew from my limited dealings with Linda that she was a little Oooh, how shall we say, earthy; but I never really took the time to care or think on it.
I suppose my "If You're Going To Burn The Flag Then Wrap Yourself In It First", and "Give War A Chance" sticker(s) might have garnered the treatment that we recieved. Who knows, maybe I am being silly, but seems like a weird koweenkiedink to me...
Wow! That's quite a story! Ya know, I have a truck...ya coulda called!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, if you're right about the motive of the lady its too bad. But, it reminds me that we don't put bumpersickers on Barb's car because I don't want some right wing loon with a gun giving her trouble. It probably wouldn't happen, but I'd rather not take the chance. It's too bad, really.
I have a friend who's step-mom used to drive a hummer, but she got harassed so much by other drivers that she got rid of it. I don't know why people feel like they have the right to do that. I mean, I'm not a big hummer fan, but I think its highly inappropriate to make comments to someone driving one and especially a woman driving alone (is that sexist?)
Anyway, sorry about your experiences with a liberal kook.
Cya!
Yes, funny story and the stickers are, well, kinda funny...but not as funny as these:
ReplyDelete"Your SUV sucks (gas)"
"Glenn Beck: putting the 'con' back in conservative"
Anyway, she was probably just upset over losing good tenants!
Thanks for the truck offer Tom. I appreciate it. Good to know I gots friends! I got my father in law to tow me, so it worked out.
ReplyDeleteVicky those are "kind of" funny... I always liked the "Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun(s)". I can appreciate a good bumber sticker on either side... Especially if it's funny!
Yeah you are probably right and I am looking into the situation too much. Ohhh well, no harm no foul. I am in my house so it's all good!
Alright, well, I better get going.
John
David Peligroso said on: September 9, 2010, 6:18 am
ReplyDeleteV.H.: "Also, join the 23,000 people who like the Facebook page “In protest of International Burn a Koran Day”"
Wow, that's more fans than Keith Olbermann and Rachal Mannow combined.
I could get more "likes" on Facebook with a "Sex with V.H.'s mom" page.
Ick. Thanks for putting that up, Ajai. I didn't see the comment on the GT. Someone had it removed and thanks to whoever did that.
ReplyDeleteYet the GT lets this person continue to post! Barefoot was banned, why??!!
"Yet the GT lets this person continue to post! Barefoot was banned, why??!!"
ReplyDeleteI like to think that we all made our point and they are no longer so quick to ban people.
Now, if we could just convince them to bring him back! Or, if he wasn't so damn stubborn and would come back with a different name, like 'THE Barefoot'!
Tom, I understand the point about freedom of speech, but the rules of the blog clearly state "No vulgarity". It's one thing to say "liar", "Marxist", etc., but I really don't have a problem with banning people who call others whores or pedophiles in essence.
ReplyDeleteOh, don't get me wrong Vicky, I think those idiots should be banned as well. But, when Barefoot was banned, I think the GT and ADH was being a bit more anal retentive, which is why BF got banned. Now, they seem to have gone a bit too far the other direction and allowing really vulgar people remain.
ReplyDeleteMy only point is, I think we can all take some credit for the online editor being a little less oppressive than before. Which, to me, is a good thing...generally.
Finally I can post. Was it not piglet who said *ohhh bother* After this frustration, I seriously need to find a place I can drop the "F bomb" - so to speak.
ReplyDelete'scuse me whilst I seek out a place to curse...
Sorry I missed this little exchange VH... I will only post on that lame site to defend one of you guys, not that you need any, or if there is something that I just can't hold back. So far I've not had anything to add to the threads minus the same sex marriage stuff. So I've only shown up a couple of times. Past that I really don't have the stomach for the censored P.O.S. fish wrapper called the GT...
ReplyDeleteWelcome back MO3! by the way... It was Pooh that said, "Ohh bother"
Yeah! Welcome back mom-o-three!
ReplyDeleteWhen I was a kid in High School I was in the play Winnie the Pooh...I was one of the forest critters (a newt or something). Pretty exciting. I knew, then and there, I had NO future in acting (tho, I think I played a pretty impressive newt).
It's nice to see you on the blogs from time to time COE!
I agree and appreciate the times when COE steps in to watch our backs!
ReplyDeleteYeah, you're right Tom. They have backed off, which is good...to a point.
Glad you can post again, momofthree!
And, hey, playing a newt is more than I have ever done. I've been in chorus and band, but NEVER in a play!!
Hedgehog!!! I just remembered...I was a hedgehog! Best damn hedgehog they've ever had in that High School!!
ReplyDeleteYou were in chorus and band, Vicky? That's cool! I think, in order to qualify for those, you actually had to have talent. In order to be a hedgehog, you just had to know how to cower behind a rock.
I had cowering down!
Lol, well I'm sure a single hedgehog stands out much more than someone in a chorus or band where your mistakes can be covered! :)
ReplyDeleteBack to the GT, did you read the R&R today? This section caught my attention:
"We call again on the voices of reason, who seem to be avoiding public forums these days, to denounce this kind of behavior in no uncertain terms. (Such as those on this page). And to those who mind having such looney views called out as such, too bad. Moderates grow tired of you."
This is twice now that I've seen them dissing the blog posts. Yet they continue to let the scumbags, um I mean those who post crap to do it. I don't get it.
I thought the comment you posted on there was great. It'd be nice if they responded...
ReplyDeleteAhhhh #schmacking head# Pooh said that!! But of course and what a bad Mom I am for not remembering that.
ReplyDeleteI should be taken to Disneyland and waterboarded in Splash Mountain.
Thank you COE
Vicki, I am a Republican Moderate, yet still cannot log into the GT. I've access to the DH only. I've complained to Matt to no avail. They want Moderates? LET MY PEOPLE GO!!! :o)~
Charleton Hestion, right? Love it.
ReplyDeleteHmm, weird that you can post on one and not the other. Maybe you'll have to get a second acct...
No - Moses - not to be confused with Charleton Hestion who said "GET OFF MY LAWN"...no - wait, that was Clint Eastwood. Crap.
ReplyDeleteGran Torino! I loved that!
ReplyDeleteTom - Thank you for taking on that *LOL* thing. SirJim is driving me crazy with that.
ReplyDeleteYou're welcome, momofthree, tho it's not something I'm particularly proud of.
ReplyDeleteWell, he has now posted where I can get at him. I will take that walk of shame with you. What kind of person who had union representation his whole working life, would make such childish statements like he does.
ReplyDeleteI am currently sick of the GT blog. People like srjim are extremely boring.
ReplyDeleteBut, I did think I should say this of his repeated LOLs:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...
All together now...
LOLLIPOP, LOLLIPOP, oh LOLLY, LOLLY, LOLLY....
Vicky - good comparison. He "sucks"
ReplyDeleteSince I am unable to post on the GT site concerning the DADT, I will post here
ReplyDeleteSo, which is the gay one? http://tinyurl.com/3xk68g9
Excellent.
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ReplyDeleteEugene said on: October 20, 2010, 7:02 am
ReplyDelete"VH, and people like her admittedly state that "cussing is fine in certain instances" and purposely teaches her son to do the same. I asked what positives come from using profanity which resulted in useless inflammatory name-calling--the VERY behavior we should NOT be teaching our kids."
Ummm, yeah. First we get him liquored up, then bring out the cuss-word dictionary and teach him the correct pronunciation of the words and encourage him to use them whenever the time is right.
All this because I said that someones argument was bullshit. Give me a break.
Eugene's message has been removed.
ReplyDelete"46 said:
ReplyDelete"Why not just segregate the GLBTD into their own school? The Los Angeles County Jail uses this technique. That way the normal kids can pick on each other and the homo kids can wear bottomless chaps and pick out fruity headgear."'
Nice to know my hat is still being talked about, months later.
"I just wanted you to know that I've requested that your post be removed because I found it offensive."
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"Why not just segregate the GLBTD into their own school? The Los Angeles County Jail uses this technique. That way the normal kids can pick on each other and the homo kids can wear bottomless chaps and pick out fruity headgear."
Interesting idea to stop conflict at the jails. Rather than merely accepting the staus quo of "acceptance" and forcing them to remain together, they recognize there's a problem and take steps to alleviate it. Sounds like it would stop a lot of unnecessary conflict and danger to the jailers.
As to the "bottomless chaps and pick out fruity headgear" statement - I've seen these in gay pride parades for decades now. Even the Corvallis pride parade had some guy sporting a fruit hat! Perhaps the Gazette pictures offended dear ole Tom's overly-sensitive sensibilities too and they should suspend production because he was offended? Maybe they refrain from taking pictures of actual participants and displaying these actual participants prominently in their articles because they don't agree with Tom's percieved bias'?
Such a double standard! The gays can do it - but if someone not within the gay community mentions their fruity hats and bottomless chaps - they go nuts! LOL
silly regressives - wanting it both ways just plain doesn't work!
'"I assume by saying "fruity hats" you mean hats with fruit in them. I guess, if that's the case, I wonder why you couldn't just say that? The term "fruity hats" can be seen as a pejorative and is an unnecessary way of describing a hat worn by someone in a community that regularly experiences the use of pejoratives used against them."
ReplyDeleteSince you appear to plead ignorance on the fruity hat issue - I looked the story up. Low and behold, I found that the fruity hat incident was perpetrated by none-other than our illustrious leader of all things homosexual - Ajai!
If you've ever been curious as to who Ajai is, or what he looks like - now's your chance!
"All ages turn out for second-annual parade and festival"
http://gazettetimes.com/news/local/article_818369aa-81ac-11df-b0fb-001cc4c03286.html
Awww, isn't he cute! LOL
I had always assumed the use of "fruity hats" in "pride parades" to be an active resistance and "in your face" kind of statement about having been called "fruits" for many years. Perhaps I was in error and there's another reason - Ajai wanna clear this up?
"I kinda wonder if you aren't just testing the waters to see what you can get away with on these threads. Given that the post I requested be removed is still here and it uses the EXACT same words as the post that was removed, it seems you can get away with quite a bit."
Hardly. What I am doing is what millions of Americans across the country are doing - pushing back. In this case, pushing back to tyranical and prescriptive edicts foisted upon the readers here that says *saying anything about gays is wrong*.
Much like the news media recently has been pushing back on NPR and their firing of Juan Williams because he expressed how he honestly felt (as well as many other Americans) when confronted with particular situations concerning muslims. It's wrong to have organizations like CAIR decide what's fit for print or what's fit to read.
It is also just as wrong for organizations such as "The Human Rights Campaign" (or its pundits named Tom) crying out for diversity and tolerance while censoring others thoughts and opinions.
Perhaps the editors here agree with the ability of the citizenry to openly express ideas and formulations that differ from that which special interests been attempting to say is "off limits". Perhaps they have decided to support open and honest discussion since it was better explained instead?
"Perhaps you own stock in the company?"
Maybe it's not some nefarious plot by some faceless corporation after all! But, nice try at smearing their good name and at the same time insinuating the oft touted *corporations suck* of the far left wingnuts! Kudos! LOL
silly regressives - *We say it can't be said - you're infringing on our tolerance and diversity by your disagreement - so shut-up - or we'll call down the power of our organizations and make you shut-up!* - such hipocracy! Tsk, tsk!"
Thanks for adding those...I was about to do the same.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, Ajai, that you are bearing the brunt of this hatred.
I'm sorry too, Ajai, that the conversation has taken this turn, tho I suppose we both could have expected it.
ReplyDeleteI'm afraid that idiot has my blood boiling so I need to take a break from the thread. I don't want you to feel abandoned and I will check back in tomorrow, but I need a glass of wine and I need to calm down. I am astounded that the paper has allowed that guy to continue to post such crap.
Thanks for posting all.
ReplyDeleteNo worries, it's just the gazzidiot. I'm proud of that picture, srjim can't change that.
Tom, I have to commend you on keeping your cool so long on that thread. I am sorry for my part in escalating the childish behavior of srjim, 46-percent, and Eugene. They got under my skin too. I was glad I had something else to do last night so that I turned off the computer. (BTW, finished the John Adams series with my son...now those guys knew how to carry on civil discourse, even when they were angry!).
ReplyDeleteI have been questioning for quite a while whether it is worth the time, effort, and emotional strain to keep posting to the GT. It seems like either talking to a wall or preaching to the choir, as you said Tom at Ajai's play (and by the way I am sorry I didn't get a chance to come over and introduce myself...I did recognize you!).
I keep telling myself I need to stop posting there and have to question why I keep getting sucked in...maybe I need blog rehab because it does become quite a habit.
p.s. I think the posts you reported, Tom, haven't been removed because it is the weekend. Did one get removed on the weekend?
ReplyDeleteHi Vicky,
ReplyDeleteActually, I think I kinda lost my cool last night, which is why I walked away from the discussion. In fact, I wrote to the online editors that I'd be willing to be banned from the threads if they would also ban srjim. I also asked that they remove every post of mine and his since he began posting to that thread. For some reason, that guy really gets under my skin and has an ability to really take things off topic. I know COE finds him funny and I can appreciate humor, but after a while, he (srjim) just gets old. Anyway, you have no reason to apologize, Vicky (at least, as far as I'm concerned).
And, yes, one of the posts was removed after I requested it this weekend. Srjim quoted the removed submission in, almost, the very next post. I requested that be removed as well (this is within a span of, about, a half-hour, I think) and Srjim's post was never removed.
Please consider staying with the posts. I agree and have considered quitting (as we all did a while ago), but what I think now is that, this lets the bullies win. I really encourage folks like COE to continue to post so that we can attempt to show what civil discourse should look like. Also, I think COE offers a really important perspective. As do others. I'm even ok with folks like Eugene and Steve because they have their point of view and share that. I really think all srjim wants to do is disrupt the conversation and he does it well.
But, you need to decide for yourself and I can completely understand if you decide to walk away, I know I've come very close (like last night), to calling it quits. But, I just look at Ajai's post and try and emulate the respect and civility they promote in the face of cruelty and intolerance.
I didn't know you were at Ajai's play! I wish you had said something, it would have been great to actually meet you!! Next time, feel free to say "hi!"
Tom, I know what you are saying, that if we leave the bullies win. For me it is about making an effect...if I could know that someone is getting reached through these threads, putting up with those guys would be worth it. Steve I can tolerate, so far I haven't had him be so insulting, but I simply won't respond to Eugen anymore. IMO, he has targeted me because I have openly stated I am an atheist, so he takes every opportunity he can to point out how immoral I am, in his view, to the point of misrepresenting what I have said and painting me as a horrible parent. This hits too close to home for me so I won't play into his games. If you go back over recent threads you will notice that Eugene jumps in when I post something and adds nothing to the conversation, only tries to insult me. And I can't get over him insinuating Ajai is a pedophile then lying about what he said. I'm done with him. Actually, I was done with srjim a long time ago.
ReplyDeleteI agree that COE has a valid and important perspective to offer. I also want to tell him that when I criticize the likes of Eugene, srjim, and 46-percent for their Christian hypocrisy, I certainly do not include COE in with that group. I have the feeling that COE really tries to live it.
Yeah, I was at the play! It was great! Not being very familiar with the lab theater, I somehow ended up out a wrong door and outside instead of in the lobby where the candlelight vigil was to begin. My intent was to participate in that for a least a while, but I decided that since I got sidetracked, I'd better get home to my kiddo. Hopefully we will meet at some other point!!
Sorry Vicky, I didn't realize Eugene was so bad. I'll pay closer attention in the future.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Tom. If you have time,you might go over the posts of Eugene's that I included here.
ReplyDeleteBTW, Tom, it was big of you to propose you being banned along with srjim, but I hope they don't take you up on the offer...there is no reason you should be banned.
ReplyDeleteSure, I'd be happy to read those posts from Eugene (well, maybe not "happy"). Not sure which thread you're talking about. Can you give me the link?
ReplyDeleteAs for my getting banned, I doubt it'll happen. Kind of an empty offer, really.
Top o' the thread. I stopped engaging Eugene or Srjim a while ago myself.
ReplyDeleteThen there's the one I posted about 10-15 posts up, on October 20th.
ReplyDeleteHey! That post from srjim was removed! Guess you were right, Vicky. Just takes a while!
ReplyDeleteOh, and, not to jinx anything, but has anyone seen a post from srjim today?
Hmmm....
No, no srjim so far, but Eugene just chimed in with his extensive knowledge of what 'causes' homosexuality. Can't respond...
ReplyDeleteThanks for the kind words Vicky. I too have noticed that Eugene will usually respond to you just to respond to you and levy some insult. Sad thing is; if he is so moral then I wonder why he has to insult you. Hardly a tactic that would endour you to his way of thinking, or belief system... Not quite what J.C. (Jesus) was talking about with that whole Gospel thing.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry if you guys felt as if I left you guys in the Suicide thread. I really didn't mean to. I had a bunch of work to do around my place. When I got back it had blown up.
Thanks Tom as well for the kind words... I enjoy chatting with fine libs such as yourselves. Unlike other liberals I've met, I actually feel like a person who is respected for my opinion on things. Though we may disagree, I know you guys have my back and vise sersa. It's nice to know.
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